From south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] Fri Mar 26 20:05:23 2004 Received: from www.plaidworks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2R43FAp013214 for <[[email protected]]>; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2R41tpJ013164 for <[[email protected]]>; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 204.127.197.114 ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200403270401540130032g41e>; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:01:54 +0000 Received: from [68.113.148.55] by 204.127.197.114; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:01:53 +0000 From: [[email protected]] To: "Kendric C. Smith" <[[email protected]]> Subject: Re: [SBB] Hawk ID help Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:01:53 +0000 Message-Id: <[[email protected]]> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: anJsaXR0bGU2QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: [[email protected]] X-BeenThere: [[email protected]] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5b1 Precedence: list List-Id: South Bay Birding List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] Errors-To: south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] SBB, Michael, and Kendrick, I'll offer my 2 cents worth. I agree with Kendrick, definately an accipiter, but I'll venture to say Cooper's. It does look to have a squarish tail. In the photos where you can see the end of the tail, it has it's tail pressed flat against the roof and that may create some distortion. I like the idea Kendrick was working with in the position of the eye. I agree that the eye looks to be forward on the head (Cooper's). It seems to be fairly proportional to the size fo the head(Cooper's). If the head was small (Sharpie), then the eye would appear to be more centered and look larger in proportion to the head(Sharpie). The white, terminal band/tip of the the tail looks fairly substancial, but I haven't seen that many of either species to feel competent using that feature. Anyway, I feel it is a Cooper's Hawk. I guess the polls have just opened and I too will be interested in other points of view. A question to the more knowledgeable on the list, but what species is more likely to breed in Santa Clara Co? I know this doesn't establish id, but I would be interested in understanding breeding records. Maybe as a total number of accipiter breeding records, what per centage are Cooper's vs Sharp-shinned? Anybody have an ideas? -- Randy Little, Milpitas, CA [[email protected]] "I bird because the voices in my head tell me to." Question: If you don't pay your exorcist, do you get repossessed? > At the risk of being wrong (always), I will say that it is an > immature Sharp-shinned Hawk. > Since you said that it is an immature (why?), then you are well on > your way to identifying it. > First it is certainly an Accipitor with white undertail coverts. > An adult would have rufous barring on the chest. > It is a Sharp-shinned because of the square end of the tail (Cooper's > would be rounded). > The eye is forward in the head (a smaller head than a Coopers, where > the eye is centered) > > It will be interesting to see what others say. > > Kendric > > =========================== > At 5:21 PM -0800 3/26/04, Michael Pollack wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I could use some help identifying an immature hawk that frequented my yard > >in Cupertino last year. I took some pictures which can be viewed at > >http://home.comcast.net/~m_pollack/HawkID/index.htm . You can click on each > >thumbnail to see a larger image. > > > >I believe these pictures are all of memebers of the same brood, if not of > >the same exact bird. But the images were taken on diffent days so I can't > >guarantee it. > > > >I'm not usually so incompetent at identifying raptors, but I'll admit to > >being easily dumbfounded when it comes to juveniles. Any help the list > >members can provide would be much appreciated. > > > >Michael Pollack > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > >south-bay-birds mailing list ([[email protected]]) > >Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > >http://www.plaidworks.com/mailman/options/south-bay-birds/kendric%40stanford.ed > u > > > >This email sent to [[email protected]] > > > -- > Kendric C. 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