From south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] Sat Sep 27 15:44:59 2003 Received: from www.plaidworks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8RMg3IC004193 for <[[email protected]]>; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8RMehZP004110 for <[[email protected]]>; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from computer.comcast.net (12-234-255-153.client.attbi.com[12.234.255.153]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003092722404201100539vae>; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:40:42 +0000 Message-Id: <[[email protected]]> X-Sender: [[email protected]] (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:12:10 -0700 To: Bill Bousman <[[email protected]]>, [[email protected]] From: Alvaro Jaramillo <[[email protected]]> Subject: Re: [SBB] Golden-Plover Records In-Reply-To: <[[email protected]]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: [[email protected]] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2+ Precedence: list List-Id: South Bay Birding List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] Errors-To: south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] At 10:14 PM 9/26/2003 -0700, Bill Bousman wrote: >Folks: > >Joe Morlan made a good point that there are few valid reports of adult >American Golden-Plovers from northern California. In Santa Clara County >we have approximately 11 reports of AMGP, of which, 10 are assigned an >age. The majority of these are juveniles. There are two adult records: > >9/21/33 1 ad f; collected in Alviso, seen for previous three weeks >[McLean, D. B. 1936. Some notable records of > birds from California. Condor 38:1617] >7/27/97 1 ad, basic; Sunnyvale WPCP, 'not a trace of black or gold' (Peter >Metropulos) > >The first of these is a specimen and is a September record. I don't know >where the specimen is located. The second record is a late July adult, >which makes some sense for a long-distance migrant. Bill Thank you very much for pulling together this information. I looked up that paper in the condor on their website (all papers can be accessed as pdf at http://elibrary.unm.edu/Condor/) What was interesting was that in the same year a couple of other notes were written on golden plovers. The first is a note on the first US record of Pacific (Vol.38 (5):217) and the second is on the first California record of Pacific (Vol.38(5): 219-220). These papers came after the Alviso specimen note, and it is quite likely that Pacific (fulva) was not even on the 'radar screen' when McLean was writing about the Alviso bird. So I agree with Joe, it would be great to track down that specimen and see what it really is. Of course the specimen may not exist anymore. The second bird of a basic bird in July is consistent with that bird being a second calendar year bird as an adult would show some black or gold somewhere in the plumage then. So unless I am interpreting that plumage incorrectly, that bird really isn't an adult, although it is not a juvenile either. I would guess that that age group would be more likely (per capita) to stray than an adult, but their total population size is much less than that of adults or juveniles. I have yet to reply to Mike's comments of several days ago. I have had little time recently. However, I am glad I delayed as the new info on moult is important. More later. Alvaro Alvaro Jaramillo Biologist San Francisco Bay Bird Observatory P.O. Box 247 Alviso, CA 95002 (408)-946-6548 http://www.sfbbo.org/ [[email protected]] ***** NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS**** _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. south-bay-birds mailing list ([[email protected]]) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://www.plaidworks.com/mailman/options/south-bay-birds/south-bay-birds-archive%40plaidworks.com This email sent to [[email protected]]