From south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] Thu Aug 7 11:07:10 2003 Received: from www.plaidworks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77I4Qdd017800 for <[[email protected]]>; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77I3mvj017749 for <[[email protected]]>; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-38lc1b2.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.5.98] helo=birdnutz.com) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19kp74-0005qG-00 for [[email protected]]; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:03:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:06:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [SBB] feeder goldfinch query Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Les Chibana <[[email protected]]> To: [[email protected]] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <[[email protected]]> Message-Id: <[[email protected]]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: [[email protected]] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2+ Precedence: list List-Id: South Bay Birding List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] Errors-To: south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] This bird has yellow emerging where a male American Goldfinch (AMGO) is expected to have yellow, but not where a Lawrence's G. (LAGO) would. Also note the extensive lightness on the inner web of the left outer tail feather, good for AMGO, not for LAGO. The buffy wingbars and patchy yellow face seem to add up to a Hatch Year male. Les Chibana, Palo Alto On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 09:43 AM, Tom Grey wrote: > > According to Clement, the Lawrence's juvenile (which I've never seen) > has > the broad buffy wingbars too, though they are shown as darker than > these > and described as "buffish-brown." On the other hand the more washed-out > upperpart coloration of this bird fits the Clement LAGO better, as > does the > underpart coloration -- Clement's drawing and description both stress > the > dark rich brown of the upperparts and head on the juvenile AMGO, and > show > the underparts with yellow-brown, where this bird is mostly light > gray. But > there's no trace of streaking on the breast of this bird (I throw in > another shot that shows more of the breast, with no streaking) and I > guess > supports concluding it's a juvenile AMGO on the light-colored side. > > > http://www.geocities.com/tgrey41/GoldfinchQuery.jpg > > > > http://www.geocities.com/tgrey41/GoldfinchQuery2.jpg > > Tom Grey > Stanford Law School > [[email protected]] > > > > Joseph Morlan > <[[email protected]] To: "Tom Grey" > <[[email protected]]> >> cc: [[email protected]] > Subject: Re: [SBB] > feeder goldfinch query > 08/07/2003 07:15 > AM > > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:41:57 -0700, "Tom Grey" <[[email protected]]> > wrote: > >> I'm guessing female American Goldfinch, nonbreeding -- maybe a >> first summer bird? (The plain gray bill.) Or might it be a juvenile? > > I'd call it an immature American Goldfinch. Note the broad buffy > wing-bars. > > -- > Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA 94044 [[email protected]] > Fall Birding Classes start Sept 3 http://fog.ccsf.org/~jmorlan/ > California Bird Records Committee http://www.wfo-cbrc.org/cbrc/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > south-bay-birds mailing list ([[email protected]]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://www.plaidworks.com/mailman/options/south-bay-birds/ > les%40birdnutz.com > > This email sent to [[email protected]] > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. south-bay-birds mailing list ([[email protected]]) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://www.plaidworks.com/mailman/options/south-bay-birds/south-bay-birds-archive%40plaidworks.com This email sent to [[email protected]]