From south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] Thu Nov 28 11:07:28 2002 Received: from www.plaidworks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gASJ5s7r019077 for <[[email protected]]>; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:05:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from plaidworks.com (dsl081-078-186.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.78.186]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gASJ5IZS019039; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:05:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:05:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [SBB] BWTEs at PA Flood Control Basin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) To: [[email protected]] From: Chuq Von Rospach <[[email protected]]> In-Reply-To: <[[email protected]]> Message-Id: <[[email protected]]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) cc: [[email protected]] X-BeenThere: [[email protected]] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b4+ Precedence: list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: South Bay Birding List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] Errors-To: south-bay-birds-bounces+south-bay-birds-archive=[[email protected]] On Thursday, November 28, 2002, at 10:38 AM, [[email protected]] wrote: > I don't know whether these have been reported > before because, as an AOL member, I am not receiving a fair amount of > my SBB > mail ever since SBB made its recent changeover. Chuq says it's AOL's > fault, > and AOL understandably says, "I don't know what you're talking about!" > Of course they don't. But it actually started before our switchover -- and it's happening to mailing lists all over the net, not just here. AOL's attempts to spamblock are having serious problems. there's some information on it in my blog (see here: http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/000109.html#000109), where I'm tracking documented problems with spam blocking that causes problems with legitimate email. One recent small study of major ISPs (AOL, MSN, Earthlink and a couple of others) showed that 11% of legitimate email was being improperly filtered. About half of that simply disappeared without notice to anyone. The parts of that study I've seen haven't given me numbers for JUST AOL, but AOL is primarily a blackhole setup, where Earthlink and others now generally filter into a junk mail filter you can double-check. I sympathize with AOL's problems. spam is a tough problem. But they're causing an even bigger problem by throwing out good e-mail. I've told people for months not to trust AOL for email, and I have to put that warning out again here: if you need dependable e-mail, AOL is no longer a place you should use, in my opinion. Frank is not alone in this problem, unfortunately, and it's nothing I'm doing, or he's doing. It's his ISP, and they've been very unwilling to own up to what they're doing, instead relying on silence. As long as you're on AOL, you're going to have some percentage of your e-mail disappear until something convinced AOL to fix their system. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech [[email protected]] -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ Very funny, Scotty. Now beam my clothes down here, will you? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. south-bay-birds mailing list ([[email protected]]) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://www.plaidworks.com/mailman/options/south-bay-birds/south-bay-birds-archive%40plaidworks.com This email sent to [[email protected]]